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Koncert Jamala odwołany przez skręty

Miał być koncert reggae dla tysiąca osób, była afera. Policja zatrzymała dwóch muzyków z zespołu Jamal i ich znajomego. Jak się okazało podczas rutynowej kontroli, znaleziono przy nich skręty z marihuaną oraz torebkę foliową z białym proszkiem. Muzycy siedzą w areszcie. Grozi im do trzech lat więzienia.

Grupa miała zagrać w sobotę w krakowskim klubie studenckim Kwadrat podczas Cracow Reggae Festival. Na scenę nie weszła. Tuż przed koncertem muzycy grupy Jamal zwrócili swym dziwnym zachowaniem uwagę funkcjonariuszy. Podczas legitymowania znaleziono przy nich narkotyki.

Usiłowali pozbyć się skrętów z marihuaną, potem policjanci stwierdzili, że mają jeszcze przy sobie biały proszek, który, jak wykazały testy laboratoryjne, był środkiem odurzającym – opowiada Mariusz Ciarka, rzecznik prasowy małopolskiej policji.

Z tą wersją zdarzeń nie zgadza się Bartosz Głowacki, menedżer zespołu Jamal. – Zostaliśmy zatrzymani pięć minut przed koncertem – opowiada.

Chłopcy stali w trójkę przed klubem. Nie byli pod wpływem niczego, najwyżej emocji, bo przecież za chwilę mieli wejść na scenę. Nie mieli niczego w rękach, nie widziałem żadnych skrętów.

Głowacki jest zbulwersowany zachowaniem funkcjonariuszy. Jego zdaniem nie było powodów do zatrzymania, ale jeśli już nastąpiło, to należało o tym poinformować organizatorów koncertu. A policjanci przed klubem nie udzielili żadnych informacji.
Odesłali mnie do VIII Komisariatu Policji w Nowej Hucie. Kiedy tam zadzwoniłem, usłyszałem, że nie jestem stroną w sprawie i niczego się nie dowiem ani telefonicznie, ani nawet osobiście, gdybym tam pojechał. Tymczasem w klubie około tysiąca widzów czekało na występ – dodaje menedżer.

Bartosz Głowacki nie wierzy w oskarżenia policji. – O godzinie 13 odbyła się próba, potem wróciliśmy do hotelu. Kilkanaście minut przed koncertem byliśmy koło klubu i tam doszło do zatrzymania muzyków. Zespołowi nie zostały postawione zarzuty – opowiada. Dodaje, że chłopcy zostali zatrzymani na 48 godzin do wyjaśnienia podejrzeń o posiadanie przez nich środków odurzających. Wśród zatrzymanych jest dwóch muzyków zespołu Jamal: wokalista Tomasz M. oraz Wojciech Ł. Trzeci zatrzymany Bartosz J. nie jest – jak twierdzi menedżer – członkiem grupy.

Jak zapewnia Mariusz Ciarka, zatrzymanie nie było planowane, nikt też nie wezwał na miejsce patrolu policji.
Grupa Jamal powstała w Radomiu, wykonuje m.in. muzykę reggae. W 2005 r. zdobyła nominację do nagrody Fryderyka.

via: Gazeta Krakowska



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    W.A.M. pisze:@ PandaLadna nazwa demokracja encteerygzna. U Mao to byla demokracja metalurgiczna, zapewne. Moze lepiej nie uzywac catch-words , a mowic o faktach. Zamiast widoku z lotu ptaka , przygladanie sie detalom, ktore zwykle sa calkiem wazne.Nie zgadzam sie z Twoim komentarzem, ze obecne technologie energetyczne sa przestarzale, i naleza do przeszlosci.Zgadzam sie, powinnismy myslec, wymyslac a potem oceniac realnosc rozwiazan. A takze stawiac realizowalne, ambitne cele, ale fizycznie i ekonomicznie mozliwe. Pewne pomysly sa utopia, pewne pomysly pojawiaja sie przedwczesnie, pewne po prostu trzeba realizowac.Poczytalem raport prof. Popczyka, finansowany przez fundacje zaangazowana w promocje dzialan zwiazanych z Climate Change Programme.Pare uwag, z polowy raportu.Program zaklada budowe energetyki rozproszonej, gotowej dostarczyc 200TWh energii (ponad 25% tego, co obecnie produkujemy w Polsce). Glownie ma sie to odbywac przez biogaz i energetyke rolnicza.Finansowanie na poziomie 130mld PLN. Nie wiadomo skad, a raczej wiadomo s. 34, tabela 3 z akcyzy na energie (ETS).Nie unikniemy takze subsydiowania (podatkow) i przymusu uzywania zielonej energii.Jesli nie przejdziemy na energetyke rozproszona, to bedziemy musieli importowac energie elektryczna z UE (pewnie czechy) badz z Kaliningradu (s.15). Jesli to bedzie tania energia .? Takie zle? Uwazam, ze niezbyt dobre, jesli odbedzie sie to kosztem polskiej energetyki (tyle, ze moze ciagle jeszcze tradycyjnej ). Dodam, ze uwazam CCS za poroniony i kosztowny pomysl, niemniej, wynikajacy z aksjomatu o szkodliwosci CO2 (co do ktorego prof. Popczyk nie ma watpliwosci, tylko proponuje inne rozwiazania zmniejszania emisji owego CO2).Blackout w energetyce jadrowej? francuzi maja 80% energii z reaktorow, i jakos nie czytamy o blackoutach we francji.Co do energetyki rolniczej mam sporo pytan (z tej realnej strony ) istnieja sprawdzone technologie? jak z efektyem skali? ile obszaru na to potrzeba? co z transportem biomasy? co z odpadami? co z obciazeniem srodowiska nawozami sztucznymi? co z kosztami utrzymania/konserwacji? co z niezawodnoscia i systemami zapasowymi? co z integracja z cala siecia encteerygzna? co z dostepnoscia energii 24/7/365?Co do energetyki jadrowej. Na pewno jest zmonopolizowana, na pewno duza kontrola panstwa. Zgadzam sie, ze nalezy stosowac mikroreaktory na pewno w wiekszym zakresie (niz obecne zastosowanie wylacznie militarne). Pisze tez o tym prof. Muller. W USA powoli proponowane sa mikroreaktory ale najbardziej bliski wprowadzenia na rynek bedzie produkowany przez firme specjalizujaca sie w produkcji reaktorow dla US Navy (co nie jest takie zle, jesli pomyslimyy o bezpieczenstwie). Moze Hindusi zbuduja reaktor na tor (Th). I tak wielcy beda tutaj grali pierwsze skrzypce. Osobiscie czekam na energie termojadrowa szkoda, ze projekt ITER nie jest finansowany tak, jak finansowano Projekt Manhattan czy program Apollo (ciekawe skalowalna technologia encteerygzna z energia prawie za darmo, i z zerowym obciazeniem CO2 :), a jest sekowana w UE?).Na ETS zarabiac beda przede wszystkim banki i instytucje finansowe (banki i domy inwestycyjne).s. 22 Ceny zyta (2009) chyba teraz nieco wyzsze, co na pewno zmienia nieco rachunek ekonomiczny.s.22 Prof. podaje przyklad lancucha energetycznego EGR. Gdzies to istnieje w ilosci wiekszej inz instalacja doswiadczalna? Z dzialajacym samochodem elektrycznym? Bez subsydiow i oplat z ETS? Tutaj rolnik (? przedsiebioorca energetyczny?) ma byc i rolnikiem, i producentem energii. Jakies wyksztalcenie do tego jest potrzebne? Kto bedzie konserwoawal te urzadzenia/naprawial/instalowal/certyfikowal? ile wtedy wyniosa koszty takiego wsparcia? Co z odpadami z produkcji biogazu? Mamy wystarczajacy poziom technologiczny wsi dla obslugi/zarzadzania takimi systemami?Patrzac na przyklad #2 (disaster) elektrowni 190MW, przeskalujmy go w dol, do EGR z przykladu #1. Potrzebujemy ok 400 takich malych gospodarstw, 8,000ha (moc elektryczna 50kW). Spory obszar. Takze ciekawym jest, czy da sie z tego korzystac caly rok, gdy przyjda mrozy (-15C).Przyklady #2 i #3 pokazuja mala gestosc energii z biomasy potrzeba duzego obszaru upraw dla wyprodukowania 50-200MW mocy, zwiazane z tym problemy logistyczne i transportowe, pewnie i skladowania.W przykladie #4 stawia sie hipoteze, ze z 2 mln ha mozna wyprodukowac 150-200TWh energii. To sa wyliczenia, nie przetestowane w tej skali w zadnym miejscu, czyli wielki skok (to ponad 25% energii produkowanej w Polsce).Jesli te 2 mln ha podzieli sie na EGR, to wyjdzie nam 100,000 gospodarstw (a 20ha), spora liczba. Na s. 36 prof. Popczyk pisze, ze jednak jednostka produkcyjna bedzie miala moc 1.2MW, czyli gospodarstwo bedzie mialo ok. 250 ha; juz tutaj widac, ze chyba jednak trzeba myslec w wiekszej skali. W kazdym razie, rozbieznosc.Teminal LNG i CCS uwazam, jak profesor, ze to bledy. Wynikajace z decyzji politycznych (LNG nie polaczono sie z siecia UE, kupiono superdrogi gaz z Kataru, nie wykorzystano gazu krajowego), jak i z wlaczenia sie w badania nad technologiami slepego toru CCS jest z definicji i niebezpieczne, i energochlonne, i wodochlonne; ale jesli chce sie skorzystac z ETS, to i na CCS nalezy popatrzec laskawiej (sarkazm).Ciekawym jest, ze prof. Popczyk jest za demokracja encteerygzna, a jednooczesnie polega na silnym panstwie i wielkich instytucjach finansowych popierajac ECS, popieracjac podatki energetyczne. Dodatkowo pytanie, jak male/srednie EGR maja sie obronic przed monopolistami odbierajacymi ich energie (przyklad handlu artykulami rolnymi pokazuje, ze i tak duze instytucje finansowe rzadza i narzucaja ceny); nie przewiduje procesu konsolidacji kapitalu?Samochod elektryczny latwo uzywa sie tego slowa. Ile dzisiaj kosztuje? Ile kosztuja silniki, baterie? Uzaleznienie od producentow metali ziem rzadkich? Infrastruktura zasilajaca? Czas ladownania takiego samochodu? Koszt zastepczych baterii? Wieksze moce silnikow? Dzialanie/niezawodnosc na mrozie, w terenie? Jak do tej pory na skale masowa budowane sa samochody na gaz ziemny (Iran)s.31 Ciekawe pojecie kosztow uniknietych . Jak je szacowac, skoro ich nie znamy? Bedziemy ustalali komisyjnie, by wyszlo to, co sobie zalozylismy (np. oplacalnosc ogniw woltaicznych)? Jesli czegos nie uzywamy, to koszt tego spada, bo popyt maleje. Albo tez czegos nie uzywamy, bo cena wzrosla (bo za duzy popyt, badz ktos narzucil akcyze), w ktorym przypadku mozemy mowic o prawdziwych kosztach uniknietych? Sasiad szacuje swojego kota na 2 mln PLN, nie kupilem go od niego, i w ten sposob uniknalem wielkich kosztow, na ktore mnie nie stac.s.32 w scenariuszu Bussines as usual szacunki wydaja mi sie OK, choc pewnie z biogazem nieco optymistyczne.s.32 deficyt mocy w Kaliforni w 2000 to skutek zmiany regulacji w energetyce, oplacalo sie importowac energie z innych stanow. decyzja byla polityczna. I zdaje sie ENRON tez tam paluszki maczal.s.34 Tabela 3 TAK, tutaj widac, o co chodzi w czekajacej nas transformacji. Podatki ETS. I teraz panstwo ma zebrac te podatki, i nominowac zwyciezce . i tych, ktorzy pracuja dla zwyciezcy . Dodatkowo zarobia firmy certyfikujace, i handlujace certyfikatami, i cala administracja do nadzoru emisji (byly niedawno jakies skandale w Chinach, co?).s.22-s.36 jakies niescislosci dotyczace EGR. Tutaj szacuje sie, ze EGR wyprodukuje 1.2MWel. Czyli gospodartwo(a) bedzie mialo okolo 250ha. To juz farmer .Sprawdzamy, 2mln ha, ok. 10,000 biogazowni, wychodzi 200ha/biogazownie. Calkiem sporo. I pytanie: czy te sieci beda ze soba polaczone? Co z niezawodnoscia? Co robic, gdy cos sie zepsuje? Co z konserwacja?s.37 Potencjal rolnictwa na potrzeby EGR o jakiej skali mowimy? W 2002 w Polsce bylo 18mln ha uzytkow, na zasiewy uzywano 10,8mln ha. Prof. Popczyk uwaza,ze mozemy przeznaczyc na biomase 2mln ha, ponoc nieuzytkow. Nie wiem, czy tyle nieuzytkow mamy, ceny ziemi rosna. Jakie beda skojarzone koszty wzrostu cen zywnosci?s.37 Ponoc mamy rezerwe z tego, zo zjadaly konie. Podany przyklad z 1951 roku, ponad 2.8mln koni, a areal na ich wyzywienie to 4.3mln ha; poniewaz obecnie koni jest 300 tys, to mamy te wolne 2mln ha, i co najwazniejsze, produkcja biomasy nie spowooduje wzrostu cen zywnosci wskutek przeznaczenia tych 2mln ha na owa biomase. Ile wynosila populacja Polski w 1951? Ile wynosi dzisiaj? Ile miesa, mleka produkowano wtedy, ile dzisiaj? Mamy konsumowac miesa tyle, co za wczesnego Gomulki? Moze jednak wykorzystujemy uzytki rolne dla produkcji zboz i pasz? Tak wiec wielkim pytaniem jest, o ile przyrosna koszty utrzymania (zywnosci) w Polsce po wprowadzeniu planu prof. Popczyka?s.37 Biopaliwa w USA rozwijaja sie wskutek subsydiowania i wskutek administracyjnego nakazu EPA o mozliwosci wlaczenia do 15% biopaliw do paliw na stacjach benzynowych (czyli, rynek jest tworzony i nakazowo masz pic tran bo to zdrowe , i poprzez subsydia nie jakies tam mechanizmy rynkowe). USA sa takze wielkim eksporterem biopaliw, ale niech tam sobie subsydiuja docelowych odbiorcow.s.37 Trudno mi sie zgodzic z teza przestać pytać, ile potrzeba odbiorcom energii i jakie straty ponoszą, gdyenergii nie otrzymują; . Uwazam, ze obowiazkiem rzadu (kreujacego polityke encteerygzna) jest stworzenie warunkow, by odbiorcom nie zabraklo energii, i by droga energia nie obnizala poziomu zycia ludzi. Nie uwazam, ze przemysl jest pytany ile potrzebujecie raczej szacuje sie poziom potrzeb (w oparciu o przewidywalne technologie i przewidywalne ich zmiany), by w racjonalny sposob planowac naklady inwestycyjne i cale procesy inwestycyjne. Brak energii moze zadlawic gospodarke (zreszta prof. Popczyk podaje przyklady blackoutow).s.38 dyskusja o technologiach do stosowania w nowej energetyceZgadzam sie na 100% z propozycjami:#1 kolektory sloneczne#3 pompy cieplne#13 mikrozrodla jadrowe (ninireaktory); dodalbym jeszcze cos o ich technologiach PBR, reaktor torowy, moze malutki ITER.Pewne watpliwosci mam co do biogazowni, ale to nie wynika z samej technologii, co z koniecznosci produkcji biomasy, utrzymania tych systemow, kosztow stowarzyszonych.Problemy mam z: s.38 #2 mikrowiatraki: Sprawnosc mikrowiatraka? Co to jest? Wspolczynnik wykorzystania mocy? Jak z 30% (duzy wiatrak) osiagnac 70% (maly wiatrak)? Tutaj to czysta fizyka sie klania. Jesli rzeczywiscie profesor uwaza, ze mikrowiatrak ma sprawnosc 70%, to lepiej zastapic turbiny parowe w elektrowniach cieplnych mikrowiatrakami, jesli takie sprawne. Dziwne, ze ZWIEKSZA sie wymiary wiatrakow, szczegolnie tych instalowanych offshore. Powod wyzsza sprawnosc aerodynamiczna (czyli przetwarzania energii wiatru na energie mechaniczna ruchu skrzydel wiatraka)#4 dom pasywny energooszczednosc jak najbardziej, ale czy ktos to widzial, jak to wyglada malutkie okienka, brak wentylacji, duze zuzycie materialow budowlanych (o ile nie wykorzystamy drewna i jego pochodnych)#5 samochod elektryczny. Powiedzialbym, science fiction, i utopia, jesli mowimy o skali masowej. Koszt produkcji? Koszt baterii? Infrastruktura do ladowania? Co z ciezarowkami? Profesor proponuje co zapewne będzie wymagać działań na rzecz autoograniczeńspołeczeństwa globalnego czyli racjonowanie samochodow; to juz bylo w latach nie tak dawno minionych; chyba jest nadal w Korei Pln. Ciekawe, komu spoleczenstwo zezwoli na wylaczenie sie z tych ograniczen (sarkazm)?#9 minirafineria lignocelulozowa Te technologie juz istnieja przemyslowo? Ile wynosi koszt produkcji gazu/alkoholu? Jakie sa technologiczne mozliwosci zmniejszenia tego kosztu? Zdaje sie, ze jest to na razie obietnica, i czekanie na osiagniecia biotechnologii (celulosic alcohol jest nieco drogi w produkcji)#10 ogniwa woltaiczne Notuje sie znaczny postep technologiczny, ale sa ciagle bardzo drogie. Korzystaja z ziem rzadkich. Zasadnicze pytanie jak magazynowac energie? Jaj wprowadzac zmagazynowana energie z powrotem do obiegu? Przeciez to dodatkowe koszty.#12 elektrownia wodna ultraniskospadowa: Tutaj fizyka sie klania. Jakie sa przeplywy i spadki hydrauliczne w naszych rzekach? Przeciez wiecej energii sie w godzine nie wyciagnie niz natezenie_przeplywu*spadek_hydrauliczny_realizowany_na_dystansie_1h_przeplywu*1godzina. Gdy sie popatrzy na nasze rzeki, to malo jest tej energii. Koszta instalacji takich elektrowni? Co z ograniczeniami dla zeglugi? Co z sedymentacja? Co z utrzymaniem tej infrastruktury?s.42 dom energetyczny mikrozrodlo wiatrakowe 2kW: nad kazdym domem w osiedlu bedzie sobie stal wiatrak? Co z wartwa przyscienna (turbulencja atmosfery) nie obnizy zalozonej sprawnosci (podpowiem wiatrak trzeba bedzie umiescic wysoko, jakies 10m nad posiomem dachu wlasnego i sasiadow, minimum). co z halasem rotorow? co z infradzwiekami? co z konserwacja takich systemow? Ubezpieczeniami (a nuz cos sie urwie, i sasiadowi do ogrodka wpadnie)?Smaochod lektryczny wie pan, ile kosztyuje taki samochod, i ile kosztuja baterie? Kto to ma sfinansowac? Wlasciciel z pracy rak? Czy dla wybranych sfinansujemy wszyscy przez ulgi podatkowe (a my bedziemy sie samoograniczali)?Gdie gromadzic nadmiar produkowanej energii? (jak ladowac ow samochod)? jesli korzystamy z sieci istniejacej, to musimy sie synchronizowac, dodatkowo zabezpieczac. Koszta takich rozwiazan? Co robic przy braku wiatru i gdy jest ciemnawo?Pisze pan profesor, ze koszty beda na poziomie 190tys PLN, juz, zaraz, do zainwestowania. Pozyczki? Subsydia? I to sa koszta bez samochodu elektrycznego.Reasumujac, EGR i wiele proponowanych rozwiazan technologicznych (w tym ow dom energetyczny) to pomysly chyba niedopracowane, i nieprzetestowane w wiekszej skali. a przynajmniej nie przeanalizowane przez tzw. Tiger Team zespol do rozszarpania pomyslu, by wykazac jego niedociagniecia, co umozliwi korekty badz spowoduje odlozenie pomyslu do lamusa historii.Prosze zwrocic uwage, ze krytyka nie oznacza zlej woli. Moje projekty sa nalaizowane i szarpane przez kolegow, bez zlej woli produkt koncowy ma byc dobry.To tak sobie o fizyce i realnym zyciu pobeblali.Ale, pozytywnie: piramidy tez kiedys budowano, i Egipt starozytny byl mocarstwem.

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